It emerges very recently that he did know how serious this was.
At the very end of "Agents of Chaos" you pose a rhetorical question aloud: how strong is our democracy?
There had to have been a way to give a kind of truthful reckoning and account to the American people, even while safeguarding that supply. MARTIN: So do you have any sense of, you know, why?
The following interview has been edited for length and clarity. . So that seemed relevant. I thought that seemed like a pretty provocative way to start a movie. It was already on, so Ben could see the person, talk to them, and actually remotely operate the camera and get a nice-looking image. But I was in New Jersey. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. I think we came close to solving that mystery. And then [Simonyan], she's practicing this kind of political jiu-jitsu where she was saying what a glorious moment it was, because it was finally proof that American democracy works because Trump was elected. . GIBNEY: First of all, the Trump administration just had utter contempt for everything about the Obama administration. The other option we had was the Airbnb option. I guess my answer is talk to me in eight weeks.
The main point that you're making with the film is that it didn't have to be this way.
And I'd sure like to do a film about it. That was disappointing to me, but at the same time, I think he made it pretty clear that by not answering it, he was infuriated by the way that Barr had represented the Mueller report. Look, it's this issue that everyone is talking about that's becoming more of the norm, and that the enormous divisiveness in American society is becoming increasingly unbridgeable because there's no agreement on facts.
and that they were funded by Yevgeny Prigozhin, aka "Putin's Chef" -- a former fast food salesman who kept failing upward.
(SOUNDBITE OF DOCUMENTARY, "TOTALLY UNDER CONTROL"). But what was your reaction to that news? What was your starting point?
Because a lot of people are pursuing stories about this administration. Researchers, infectious disease specialists, computer modelers, intelligence analysts all over the world have been expecting something like this.
One is, you know, we always see this story from our own seat, and we're always looking over there at Russia, impenetrable Russia. Heavy Rains to Batter Maharashtra from Octobe... NCR's Air Quality Index Mounted to 'Very Poor... "Totally Under Control" is the new film codirected by the Oscar-winning documentarian Alex Gibney that depicts the Trump administration's hapless early response to the, "The result looks more like a true-crime film than purely a film about competence, because the death toll was so high and the crimes of fraud and negligence are so extreme," Gibney told Business Insider's. And I think the answer, unfortunately, is pretty dark. . We thought Part 1 would be about, what did Russia try to do?
It's a lot smaller. In South Korea, seven days after they discovered that first COVID-positive patient, they have this emergency meeting in the Seoul train station with government leaders and also heads of industry.
We had to wade through the chaos for a long time ourselves before we came out. There are a lot of people who we had, and there were other people who I would have liked to have interviewed who we came close to getting, but they wanted to save it for their book tour. They're there just to cut deals, so that then a certain small group of selected companies can go in, get that stuff, and then profiteer off it.
It emerges very recently that he did know how serious this was.
At the very end of "Agents of Chaos" you pose a rhetorical question aloud: how strong is our democracy?
There had to have been a way to give a kind of truthful reckoning and account to the American people, even while safeguarding that supply. MARTIN: So do you have any sense of, you know, why?
The following interview has been edited for length and clarity. . So that seemed relevant. I thought that seemed like a pretty provocative way to start a movie. It was already on, so Ben could see the person, talk to them, and actually remotely operate the camera and get a nice-looking image. But I was in New Jersey. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. I think we came close to solving that mystery. And then [Simonyan], she's practicing this kind of political jiu-jitsu where she was saying what a glorious moment it was, because it was finally proof that American democracy works because Trump was elected. . GIBNEY: First of all, the Trump administration just had utter contempt for everything about the Obama administration. The other option we had was the Airbnb option. I guess my answer is talk to me in eight weeks.
The main point that you're making with the film is that it didn't have to be this way.
And I'd sure like to do a film about it. That was disappointing to me, but at the same time, I think he made it pretty clear that by not answering it, he was infuriated by the way that Barr had represented the Mueller report. Look, it's this issue that everyone is talking about that's becoming more of the norm, and that the enormous divisiveness in American society is becoming increasingly unbridgeable because there's no agreement on facts.
and that they were funded by Yevgeny Prigozhin, aka "Putin's Chef" -- a former fast food salesman who kept failing upward.
(SOUNDBITE OF DOCUMENTARY, "TOTALLY UNDER CONTROL"). But what was your reaction to that news? What was your starting point?
Because a lot of people are pursuing stories about this administration. Researchers, infectious disease specialists, computer modelers, intelligence analysts all over the world have been expecting something like this.
One is, you know, we always see this story from our own seat, and we're always looking over there at Russia, impenetrable Russia. Heavy Rains to Batter Maharashtra from Octobe... NCR's Air Quality Index Mounted to 'Very Poor... "Totally Under Control" is the new film codirected by the Oscar-winning documentarian Alex Gibney that depicts the Trump administration's hapless early response to the, "The result looks more like a true-crime film than purely a film about competence, because the death toll was so high and the crimes of fraud and negligence are so extreme," Gibney told Business Insider's. And I think the answer, unfortunately, is pretty dark. . We thought Part 1 would be about, what did Russia try to do?
It's a lot smaller. In South Korea, seven days after they discovered that first COVID-positive patient, they have this emergency meeting in the Seoul train station with government leaders and also heads of industry.
We had to wade through the chaos for a long time ourselves before we came out. There are a lot of people who we had, and there were other people who I would have liked to have interviewed who we came close to getting, but they wanted to save it for their book tour. They're there just to cut deals, so that then a certain small group of selected companies can go in, get that stuff, and then profiteer off it.
It emerges very recently that he did know how serious this was.
At the very end of "Agents of Chaos" you pose a rhetorical question aloud: how strong is our democracy?
There had to have been a way to give a kind of truthful reckoning and account to the American people, even while safeguarding that supply. MARTIN: So do you have any sense of, you know, why?
The following interview has been edited for length and clarity. . So that seemed relevant. I thought that seemed like a pretty provocative way to start a movie. It was already on, so Ben could see the person, talk to them, and actually remotely operate the camera and get a nice-looking image. But I was in New Jersey. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. I think we came close to solving that mystery. And then [Simonyan], she's practicing this kind of political jiu-jitsu where she was saying what a glorious moment it was, because it was finally proof that American democracy works because Trump was elected. . GIBNEY: First of all, the Trump administration just had utter contempt for everything about the Obama administration. The other option we had was the Airbnb option. I guess my answer is talk to me in eight weeks.
The main point that you're making with the film is that it didn't have to be this way.
And I'd sure like to do a film about it. That was disappointing to me, but at the same time, I think he made it pretty clear that by not answering it, he was infuriated by the way that Barr had represented the Mueller report. Look, it's this issue that everyone is talking about that's becoming more of the norm, and that the enormous divisiveness in American society is becoming increasingly unbridgeable because there's no agreement on facts.
and that they were funded by Yevgeny Prigozhin, aka "Putin's Chef" -- a former fast food salesman who kept failing upward.
(SOUNDBITE OF DOCUMENTARY, "TOTALLY UNDER CONTROL"). But what was your reaction to that news? What was your starting point?
Because a lot of people are pursuing stories about this administration. Researchers, infectious disease specialists, computer modelers, intelligence analysts all over the world have been expecting something like this.
One is, you know, we always see this story from our own seat, and we're always looking over there at Russia, impenetrable Russia. Heavy Rains to Batter Maharashtra from Octobe... NCR's Air Quality Index Mounted to 'Very Poor... "Totally Under Control" is the new film codirected by the Oscar-winning documentarian Alex Gibney that depicts the Trump administration's hapless early response to the, "The result looks more like a true-crime film than purely a film about competence, because the death toll was so high and the crimes of fraud and negligence are so extreme," Gibney told Business Insider's. And I think the answer, unfortunately, is pretty dark. . We thought Part 1 would be about, what did Russia try to do?
It's a lot smaller. In South Korea, seven days after they discovered that first COVID-positive patient, they have this emergency meeting in the Seoul train station with government leaders and also heads of industry.
We had to wade through the chaos for a long time ourselves before we came out. There are a lot of people who we had, and there were other people who I would have liked to have interviewed who we came close to getting, but they wanted to save it for their book tour. They're there just to cut deals, so that then a certain small group of selected companies can go in, get that stuff, and then profiteer off it.
And Part 2 would be how did that reverberate here, which was the essential thinking about it.
I was a teenager in the '60s and early '70s when there were pretty big divisions and massive riots and protests all over the country and a lot of killings and assassinations.
. But in this particular case, the chaos is what it was all about. Hard. So the great sense of vitality and freedom and freedom of expression we've had for so long is being undermined by our own emotional undertow to want to surround ourselves with people who think and act exactly like we do, and believe what we want to believe. Alex Gibney's two-part documentary series "Agents of Chaos" on HBO leaves no room to argue otherwise. How close to the debut were you either tweaking the narrative, even small ways, or even changing it? We were making changes in narration right on up to about three weeks ago. Well, it happens over and over and over again . I mean, you've dug into places that were hard to crack, like the drug company Theranos in your film "The Inventor," the Church of Scientology in your film "Going Clear." MARTIN: That was Alex Gibney.
It emerges very recently that he did know how serious this was.
At the very end of "Agents of Chaos" you pose a rhetorical question aloud: how strong is our democracy?
There had to have been a way to give a kind of truthful reckoning and account to the American people, even while safeguarding that supply. MARTIN: So do you have any sense of, you know, why?
The following interview has been edited for length and clarity. . So that seemed relevant. I thought that seemed like a pretty provocative way to start a movie. It was already on, so Ben could see the person, talk to them, and actually remotely operate the camera and get a nice-looking image. But I was in New Jersey. Visit our website terms of use and permissions pages at www.npr.org for further information. I think we came close to solving that mystery. And then [Simonyan], she's practicing this kind of political jiu-jitsu where she was saying what a glorious moment it was, because it was finally proof that American democracy works because Trump was elected. . GIBNEY: First of all, the Trump administration just had utter contempt for everything about the Obama administration. The other option we had was the Airbnb option. I guess my answer is talk to me in eight weeks.
The main point that you're making with the film is that it didn't have to be this way.
And I'd sure like to do a film about it. That was disappointing to me, but at the same time, I think he made it pretty clear that by not answering it, he was infuriated by the way that Barr had represented the Mueller report. Look, it's this issue that everyone is talking about that's becoming more of the norm, and that the enormous divisiveness in American society is becoming increasingly unbridgeable because there's no agreement on facts.
and that they were funded by Yevgeny Prigozhin, aka "Putin's Chef" -- a former fast food salesman who kept failing upward.
(SOUNDBITE OF DOCUMENTARY, "TOTALLY UNDER CONTROL"). But what was your reaction to that news? What was your starting point?
Because a lot of people are pursuing stories about this administration. Researchers, infectious disease specialists, computer modelers, intelligence analysts all over the world have been expecting something like this.
One is, you know, we always see this story from our own seat, and we're always looking over there at Russia, impenetrable Russia. Heavy Rains to Batter Maharashtra from Octobe... NCR's Air Quality Index Mounted to 'Very Poor... "Totally Under Control" is the new film codirected by the Oscar-winning documentarian Alex Gibney that depicts the Trump administration's hapless early response to the, "The result looks more like a true-crime film than purely a film about competence, because the death toll was so high and the crimes of fraud and negligence are so extreme," Gibney told Business Insider's. And I think the answer, unfortunately, is pretty dark. . We thought Part 1 would be about, what did Russia try to do?
It's a lot smaller. In South Korea, seven days after they discovered that first COVID-positive patient, they have this emergency meeting in the Seoul train station with government leaders and also heads of industry.
We had to wade through the chaos for a long time ourselves before we came out. There are a lot of people who we had, and there were other people who I would have liked to have interviewed who we came close to getting, but they wanted to save it for their book tour. They're there just to cut deals, so that then a certain small group of selected companies can go in, get that stuff, and then profiteer off it.